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  • Started 3 months ago by PrincessLea
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  1. PrincessLea
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    Hi guys,

    I had my appointment with my surgeon and pre op today and was hoping to find out all the details about my surgery as its 4 weeks today! This is the first time I've seen my surgeon since before all of the treatment started and I have probably only seen my ortho about 3 times since treatment started! They didn't book my impressions, pictures and xrays prior to this meeting so i was wondering how it was going to work.

    She originally said at the beginning she was 99% sure she wanted to do bi max for my open bite and I was really happy as I don't like my weak jawline. When I saw her she looked at me and said she couldn't make a decision or go through things with me as she didn't have the impressions and the shape of my arches have changed a lot. At this point it looks like she wants to just do the top jaw. (Apparently my bottom teeth have moved a lot more out than expected leaving a smaller gap and she likes the placement of my top teeth atm so didn't really want to bring bottom forward and top forward) I mentioned my weak jawline and she agrees with me - its like me skin on my neck just has no where to go and kind of looks stretched up to chin?? If you know what I mean. Now she is toying with the idea of chin work and top jaw. But......... I don't find out now until 1 week before surgery. I know this isn't then end of the world but there was such a build up to the meeting I'm just absolutely gutted now. I think also because I've had it in my head bi max to say one jaw feels weird?? Don't know why as I know they know what they're doing but...

    Don't know how long I'll be in hopsital for, how long off work, how long no chew, how long banded shut etc as couldn't ask the q's because she hasn't decided what she's doing she can't answer!

    then to add more confusion when I went in to see my ortho he disagrees and thinks the lower jaw should be done geeeez. :( I feel blue :( Sorry for the big moan!!!!

    Posted 3 months ago #
  2. RachelM
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    There's no need to feel blue, you've got your surgery date. That's great news! The main issue is that you get your bite fixed. How they actually do it isn't important. A lot of peole get fixated on measurments and it almost becomes a competiton about who's had the most movement or whether you've had one or two jaws moved etc. I always thought I was only going to have my lower jaw moved but they decided three weeks pre op that they were going to do both. I didn't really care, so long as they were making sure I had the best possible result.

    They will do a 'trial surgery' on your moullds and won't make a final decision until they've worked out exactly how everything is going to fit together.

    I had an hour long appointment with my surgeon in the week before my surgery and we went through all my questions and she told me everything I needed to know about eating, time in hospital and anything I would need for recovery etc.

    I would give them a call and ask them how long you're going to need off work as it's good to be able to give them an idea so the can plan cover in your absence. Other than that, I'm sure all of your questions will be answered in your final pre-op appointment. it's good not to know some things too soon or you'll just worry about them anyway.

    Where are you having your surgery? I had a female surgeon too and she was great!

    Posted 3 months ago #
  3. PrincessLea
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    Thanks for your reply RachelM. I know its great and there was a chance I could have got there today and they say no you're not fully ready! I think as I've had both jaws in my head the whole time I can't get round to being happy with just one... probably my OCD kicking in and I'm a control freak too! argh haha!! If I honestly thought aesthetically I would look fine with just one then that would be great as less swelling and time in hospital etc. The thing thats a shame about it all was I hadn't really noticed my weak jawline prior to this process and prior to hunting around on this forum. Now its all I can see in pictures and I've become really self conscious about it. If it isn't at least made better I've now created something that I'll be unhappy about that I never noticed before! Luckily she agreed and seemed willing to look at options!

    I've told work 4ish weeks anyway and they're happy with that so it shouldn't be too much of a problem - again it was probably my control freak ways needing to know everything NOW! ha. I'm having my surgery in Lancashire. My surgeon is amazing. Really, really good at what she does!

    Posted 3 months ago #
  4. RachelM
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    I know, I was quite shocked when I was told I was going to be able to eat with a small spoon from day one and everything seemed so different to what I'd read on here. But every surgeon does things differently so I'd say just be prepared for things to be not as expected when they tell you what's going to happen post op in terms of splint/no splint, liquid diet/no chew diet, syringes/drinking from a cup, Wired/banded/not shut at all. It's different for everyone!

    There's nothing you can really do to prepare at this stage apart from making sure you've got some good DVDs to watch while you're recovering.

    I'm sure they'll give you all the details in plenty of time. I'm in Cheshire so will send good vibes up the M6 for you!

    Posted 3 months ago #
  5. PrincessLea
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    Well the pre op nurse mentioned being banded tight for 2 weeks so liquid only, loosed a LITTLE bit for 2 more weeks so very mushy stuff, then loosened a bit more for 2 more week so soft foods. That was when she thought it would be bi max so not sure if that changes for just the top jaw?? I'm an avid teeth grinder anyway and a tongue thruster so I'm happy for them to band away!

    thanks hun. I'm going to put some piccies on here soon to see what people think!

    Posted 3 months ago #
  6. PrincessLea
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    I'm also really worried as my tongue sits quite a lot over my bottom teeth naturally and constantly pushes on my front teeth. Its like there isn't enough room in my mouth for it?? argh :(

    what if they keep everything in same position and I have a relapse

    Posted 3 months ago #
  7. PrincessLea
    Member

    Here's a couple of pics of my profile:

    Non smiling

    Smiling

    What do you guys think? Could this be improved by just chin work?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  8. sharptoys
    Member

    Background:

    19 yo Male. Mild open bite and resulting lip incompetence. Unusually high mandibular plane (slightly over 45 degrees), especially when considered in conjunction with my relatively mild open bite (occlusal plane).

    I am in a very similar situation. Yesterday I had a consultation with my oral surgeon, before which I had--somewhat thoughtlessly-- assumed that I would have lower jaw advancement in addition to upper jaw impaction and advancement. Like you, I was moderately deflated when I was informed that, considering past condylar instability, the additional forces caused by mandibular rotation and advancement might be great enough to cause further and likely significant condylar resorption and resulting relapse. The surgeon still presented it as an option of sorts, but only if I was willing to risk eventually needing artificial replacement TMJs, the prospects of which, while extremely flexible, surgically and aesthetically speaking, are fairly grim in terms pain, cost and durability, especially at a younger age.

    The surgeon went on to inform me and my parent that a much more stable option would be superior repositioning of the maxilla, an operation which would, in and of itself provide the maximum functional improvement with minimal aesthetic improvement, which could of course be improved mildly with a genioplasty. Naturally, the information was somewhat disconcerting, as I had assumed a large change in facial morphology was needed to correct by current malocclusion.

    Now, IANAD, but based of off the couple hundred articles from my university's database, here are a couple points:

    1. Mandible (lower jaw) advancement can do very impressive things, especially in conjunction with genioplasty, however:

    2. While the maxilla (upper jaw) and sliding genioplasty operations are considered very stable, mandibular advancement is significantly more unstable. Now, there are a number of contraindications for the operation, but the most important seem to be: A. Previous resorption of the condyle, of any amount, B: TMJ problems (significant pain, clicking, ect) C: High mandibular plane (angle of lower jaw relative to horizontal), large amount of change necessary, in term of both degrees and distance.
    Even without ^ these ^ contraindications, however, mandible advancement is still fairly (once again, relatively) risky, as soft tissue can apply significant force on the jaws after the surgery. And, of course, in open bite patients, such as you and me, the counterclockwise rotation only increases the soft tissue tension. If we could see an xray (preferably) or even a picture showing the amount of open bite in the current condition, it would be easier to make a better call.

    3. Regardless of any potential instability, the healing/wiring time is roughly the same for maxilla/genioplasty and maxilla/mandible/genioplasty operations. Maxilla impactions/advancements can cause significantly more swelling/disruption than mandible advancements do, and since both sites are healing at the same time, any difference in the healing process is largely negligible.

    Now, in response to your pictures:

    The pictures you took are not the best for evaluation purposes, as it seems that your head is inclined forward slightly, and is not truly parallel to horizontal. This, of course, makes your lower jaw appear as if it is more retracted than it actually is.

    "Could this be improved by just chin work?"

    Yes, a genioplasty, in conjunction with the slight autorotation to close your bite, will improve your profile. What the you and your surgeon have to decide is whether or not this aesthetic improvement will be enough. If you are unhappy with your appearance from the front, it may not be, as neither the maxilla impaction or sliding genioplasty will necessarily significantly alter your face from that perspective. If it is, instead, your profile that you are dissatisfied with(I hate putting it in these terms, as it makes us seem frighteningly superficial, even though we're frequently referring to significant operations)then you are more likely to be satisfied with your post-op appearance.

    This is, of course, a highly personal decision, but I feel that if you think that a mild to moderate improvement in your profile is all that is necessary, you'll probably be satisfied with the results. If, instead, you are expect more of a facial renovation/reconstruction you are less likely to be satisfied with your final appearance. Once again, it is a highly personal topic, but regardless of any potential operation you are already very attractive, and anything that you do from here on out should only compliment it.

    Ahhh this post got a bit long, but I can't really think about much else right now, so might as well embrace it, eh?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  9. coffeecups
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    I had an open bite too. When upper jaw is rotated to solve the open bite, patients usually end up with an Over bite or Under bite (and for some fortunate people, it's usually close to normal).

    Now I had an underbite. This meant that my surgeon did a bijaw surgery to fix both my open bite and my newly-formed-underbite. Your pictures/dentist seems to suggest you will be in the overbite-region, where a very slight lower-jaw advancement could be used, depending on how big the gap is.

    In my opinion, you have a very nice chin. Your chin is what it looks like when it is at rest right now, and you should try to picture that lowerlip/chin in it's new spot under your upper lip (probably jutting out a bit more as your lower jaw becomes able to 'shut' completely).

    I also think you have a nice upper lip line. From what i gathered from my dentist, messing with the height/forward/backward position of the upper jaw could lead to unexpected changes (ie gummier smile? Horse/monkey like mouth?)

    It does sound like your dentist is making the best decisions already. She WANTS you to have great results, so try not to fret. My dentist was making 'decisions' up til the very last minute it felt like, and I was happy with the outcome.

    My outcome: Open bite fixed. People think I looked 90% pretty much the same. So really the worst case scenario for you is = look the same, but with no more open bite.

    My advise: Expect the worst, hope for the best! You have great features so don't rely heavily on a dramatic transformation as open-biters tend not to have them... I do get the feeling that NEW people that know me, are able to see the difference :)

    Posted 3 months ago #
  10. PrincessLea
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    @ Sharptoys - Thank you so much for your thorough reply! Its so good to have this outlet and all these helpful people to get you through this journey. Its really deflating isn't it when you get told something different especially as surgery dates get closer. When are you due for the op? I don't have any Xrays but I can upload a couple of pictures of what my bite is like now. I'll do that on this post! I think because I'm in the UK and on the NHS I'm not really in the best position to be choosing what to do - its more leave the surgeon to it and get done what they suggest. But... like previously mentioned she is at least checking out other options!!
    Thank you for your kind words, although not sure how you can tell from them photos! ha. I'm at the point now where I hate looking at side photos of myself! I just want to have a normal profile really. Not looking for perfection or to look like a superstar. Just normal!

    @ Coffeecups - really I never knew that? My surgeon hasn't really explained anything to me! Can later orthodontics solve the overbite? I find having an open bite so frustrating. Everything you read points to higher chance of relapse and lesser chance of a big improvement/change. What do you think?? Have you got any pictures of before and after??

    Here are a couple of pics showing my current open bite. My mouth is fully closed here but no teeth touch at the moment:

    Posted 3 months ago #

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